Curse

salja Wachi · Jun 21, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

Banning people is stupid. Why would you ban someone for posting text? And the text isn't even racist or offensive for that matter. The fact that you can't get a group together sounds like a personal problem.

If it's that big of a deal, I'd suggest to Anet that a trading outpost be made.
Just a simple little town where people can trade items, etc.

why would yo uban them?????

simple SPAMMING!!!!!!!!1

spamming is not allowed and to use the local chat channel for trade is spamming pure and simple.

using a channel for anyting other than it's intended us is spamming.

and as for getting a group it is impossible because of all the trading giong on in local channel

FengShuiBundi · Jun 21, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Yeah, like somebody said about the rare weaps trader... A.Net focuses on the stuff which isn't as pressing. They are trying to avoid the big issues by giving us little worthless things like the sound when you get a whisper. Yay!

This is a really big problem, not only is it bad that people spam in public chat, but in the trade they try and sell "GODLY" and "UBER" items. Very often they don't post stats in the message, and many times they do not respond to a whisper asking to see the item. I especially love godly 11-15 dragons swords. very powerful.

salja Wachi · Jun 21, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Creston

Well, I always ask people who use the normal channel for trade to take it to the trade channel.

Ofcourse, banning people who use the normal channel for trade is overly harsh, and doesn't address the cause of the symptom, which is that GW's system is poor for both sales AND grouping. There needs to be a dedicated system for both (something which I've already posted about multiple times, so I can just hope that Anet is paying attention...)

To be fair, it's a bit of a consensus that district 1 and 2 are Trade Districts, and so it would be EASIER if you did go to another district to group. Not saying there's anything against doing it in 1 or 2, but you are making it needlessly hard on yourself.

Finally, Galrath is easier to complete from Temple of Ages. 2 extra party members, plus 30% less walk.

Creston

sorry to burst your all knowing bubble my friend BUT!!!!! trade channel is for trading and local is for chat.

period end of story!!!

Mister Glue · Jun 21, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Mr T Bone

/report function should be introduced?

Do you have ANY idea how much this would be abused? It's been proven many times that people in general don't use their brains, and usually don't use their common sense when it comes to things like trying to get people in trouble. I have a feeling if this were implemented, half of the /reports that they would get would be "OMG HE BEET ME IN PVP WTF.NET I WAS USING A FIRE SWORD." I think it's a good thing it takes a little while to truly fill out a report -- keeps most of the irrational people from using it.

But aside from that, I really think Anet should introduce something like an Auction House where people can go and just sell things. Right now Lion's Arch seems to be the place to do that, which really annoys everyone who tries to do anything else there.

Icarium · Jun 21, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

it IS annoying, but when this is a problem ill swap over to dist 4 or higher, and then its not a huge problem. getting a groups dosent mean you "have" to be in the first 3 districts, and naturally thats where people will go to sell, given how those ones will fill up first

Creston · Jun 21, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

sorry to burst your all knowing bubble my friend BUT!!!!! trade channel is for trading and local is for chat.

period end of story!!!

First of, you need to stop drinking so much coffee, and calm down before you give yourself an aneurysm. You're acting like they took over your computer and nuked it or something.

Second, re-read the very FIRST line I typed. Did you read that? Now think about it. Oh my God, I actually agreed with you!

So get off your sarcastic horse.

Creston

salja Wachi · Jun 21, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

you agree with me then you told me it was concensus that dist 1-2 were for trade lol.

which one it is???

it is not acceptable my friend i am sorry.

trade cahnnel is for trade why is that such a hard concept for these people to understand>?

Jczech · Jun 21, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Mister Glue

Do you have ANY idea how much this would be abused? It's been proven many times that people in general don't use their brains, and usually don't use their common sense when it comes to things like trying to get people in trouble. I have a feeling if this were implemented, half of the /reports that they would get would be "OMG HE BEET ME IN PVP WTF.NET I WAS USING A FIRE SWORD." I think it's a good thing it takes a little while to truly fill out a report -- keeps most of the irrational people from using it.

The simple way of preventing people from abusing a /report command would be to have some sort of penalty attached to false reports. Anything from a loss of some gold (maybe a platinum or two, taken from your storage, possibly go into negative if they don't have any) to flat out disabling them from ever using it again.

I don't think there's a need to report people who spam trade, maybe just an auto-warning or auto-kicking (or temporary was of disabling their local channel) if they use any form of 'WTS', 'W T S', 'Want to sell', or any sort of thing to try and get around it (using any of those would give you a warning and not send your message). Maybe warning the first time they do it in the local (for those who forget and accidently type it there once), and a kick or mute if they do it too many times in X amount of time. Mute could go anywhere from 10 minutes to a day, depending on how many times you've been muted before.

relientK_fan · Jun 21, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

It doesn't bug me. I even do it. Sometimes it's the only way for people to get thier items noticed. If you go to LA, the pink text becomes a blur. Then BAM! White text. Your item is noticed by someone, or the whole district! Sounds good to me.

salja Wachi · Jun 21, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by relientK_fan

It doesn't bug me. I even do it. Sometimes it's the only way for people to get thier items noticed. If you go to LA, the pink text becomes a blur. Then BAM! White text. Your item is noticed by someone, or the whole district! Sounds good to me.

typical, if something is not going your way then just do something that is not supposed to be done. you are a prime example of what i am talking about.

salja Wachi · Jun 22, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

very intreesting responses so far

provoko · Jun 22, 2005, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by relientK_fan

It doesn't bug me. I even do it. Sometimes it's the only way for people to get thier items noticed. If you go to LA, the pink text becomes a blur. Then BAM! White text. Your item is noticed by someone, or the whole district! Sounds good to me.

Okay, maybe thats what people need to stop trading in 'all', a second color.

A second color for trade would probably prevent people from going into all, cause then that would mean they would have to shift $ then shift % then shift !.

Even better: How about a second trade channel, shift $ could be just for Buying (WTB), then the second trade channel shift % would be for Selling (WTS).

There would be no excuses of blurring of text, cause you'll see two separate colors for buying and for selling and easily identify whos buying and whos selling.

Or, use my first idea and get a part time intern to warn people that trade in 'all' and if it comes down to it: Kick them for a certain period of time.

Navaros · Jun 22, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

banning for trying to sell one's in-game items? give me a break. that would be ludicrous

it is not the players' fault that there is no viable trading system in Guild Wars. if you want to blame someone for that, blame the devs for not making an auction house or other viable trading solution

the trade channel scrolls by way too quickly to read anything. using the trade channel is a great way to give yourself a migraine headache mighty fast.

why should players be forced to give themselves migraine headaches just to sell their items?

i know it's easier to blame the players than the devs, since most fans like to think of the devs as angels who have made a perfect game.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to disrespect the devs. they did do a lot of stuff right.

but that doesn't mean the player base should "let the devs off the hook" for not implementing a decent trade system. and thus turn on each other for trying to sell their items in the only way that doesn't cause headaches

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 22, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

ANet should ban these people. One warning first, then ban them for clogging up the channel with whatever crap they might be selling. I don't care for some godly sword with 2-6 dmg

, I am LFG!!!

Completely agreed. Also stating (The new improved ignore function. Thread has now begun.) It works like a charm!

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Originally Posted by Navaros

banning for trying to sell one's in-game items? give me a break. that would be ludicrous

it is not the players' fault that there is no viable trading system in Guild Wars. if you want to blame someone for that, blame the devs for not making an auction house or other viable trading solution

the trade channel scrolls by way too quickly to read anything. using the trade channel is a great way to give yourself a migraine headache mighty fast.

why should players be forced to give themselves migraine headaches just to sell their items?

i know it's easier to blame the players than the devs, since most fans like to think of the devs as angels who have made a perfect game.

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to disrespect the devs. they did do a lot of stuff right.

but that doesn't mean the player base should "let the devs off the hook" for not implementing a decent trade system. and thus turn on each other for trying to sell their items in the only way that doesn't cause headaches

You're stupid. Bottom line stupid. The trade channel is a very easy function, and all you have to do is scroll through it at your own pace. It's not hard for anyone who uses 5% of their brain. Really. I do not blame the dev's as much as i blame the stupidity of human beings. Seriously. Who would have thought that people would be so stupid? Not them... But me, from my first job at Mcdonalds... i noticed lots of people are quite stupid... not to mention complete zombies to comercials. But heck, that's life, and we must deal with it.

No, banning for selling items is not what's happening. It's the spam in the all channel that's getting them banned (check your own terms of agreement, before you sound like more of a jackass).

Van the Warrior · Jun 22, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

i guess you can call this a rant if you like but I was just at lion Arch with my 3rd character trying to find a group to do villainy.

it was imjpossible to get a group together seeing as everyone is using the CHAT CHANNEL for trading.

after numerous attempts to try ang get people to use the TRADE CHANNEL i get up trying to find a group.

Anet I am asking you to do something about this. the trade channel is there for a reason. there is no excuse for spamming the local channel with trades and I am sure there is something in the TOS about spamming. one of the defanitions of spamming is using something for soemthing other than it's intended use.

I am rather positive that since there is a seperate CHAT CHANNEL the purpose of the local channel is not for trade.

I am asking for something to be done about this as it is a very severe annoyance to say the least.

I will even go as far as to say ban accounts for repeat offenders. there has to be a way to monitor this be it moderators or whatnot.

thanks for your time

in the time it took you to yell at people u coulda just changed districts

Algren Cole · Jun 22, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

you agree with me then you told me it was concensus that dist 1-2 were for trade lol.

which one it is???

it is not acceptable my friend i am sorry.

trade cahnnel is for trade why is that such a hard concept for these people to understand>?

If something like this bothers you that much....you are totally unprepared mentally for the real world.

and yes....it's common knowledge that Dist 1 and 2 are used for Trade....that's not to say that Trade doesnt happen in other districts...or that people should be using the Chat channel for Trade....but Creston was right.

If I were you I'd turn my computer off for a week or two and evaluate what is actually important in my life.....cuz I'm most certain "Getting people to stop using the Chat channel for Trade" wouldn't be high on my list.

Dirkiess · Jun 22, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

The easiest way I see to resolving this issue it to make 1 or 2 districts in the main towns, such as Ascalon and LA as Trading Districts only.

This could have several benefits to the rest of the gaming community and overall performance of the game.

It would save all those people trying to look for a group from having to troll through the Spam to find someone who wants to group, and those that are looking for something to buy or sell know where they need to go.

This would lower the amount of trade spam in the other towns which would reduce overall lag, as they would now have just 1 or 2 districts they can trade in, so wouldn't have to spam the channels as often to get noticed and try and outspam everyone else.
This way, they could have 4 trade channels of different colours so all there items would get noticed more easily.

It would save the frustration on people who get annoyed by this(I do, but I move town), and they don't have to tell people to use the Trade Channel anymore, which in itself would greatly reduce the lag.

Having just a few Trade Districts would also help A-Net and GW Support track unscrupulous individuals who are cheating, scamming whatever you will and make it easier for them to become banned, as they would have less logs to look through, again reducing the amount of lag.

And the bonus for Traders is they can get on with what they want to do, and trade without them having to worry about all those that keep telling them what to do, which reduces lag yet again, as they no longer have to reply with F&*K Y8u, and P67s O#f etc etc.

If anyone is caught abusing this system outside the Trade Districts, they get a warning. If they are caught again, they get a 1 week ban, and if they are caught for a 3rd time, they are banned for good.

You could then remove the Trade Channel from all the other districts and hopefully this would also help improve the performance as there is one less channel to monitor in all the districts.

This, in the end would save having to worry about a reporting feature being abused by individuals, and would probably be a lot easier to maintain and implement.

Anyway, just my thoughts after reading what has been posted here.

wbaldwin67 · Jun 22, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

If you check that little check box on your Message box that says √ Trade and uncheck it.. you wont get the spam. Its NEATO!!!

Dirkiess · Jun 22, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by wbaldwin67

If you check that little check box on your Message box that says √ Trade and uncheck it.. you wont get the spam. Its NEATO!!!

I think you missed the point. They are spamming the All Chat channel with Trade Spam. Althought that option is good, it doesn't help with the All Chat being Trade Spammed.

Dumachum · Jun 22, 2005, 02:59 PM // 14:59

The only reason people spam /all with their trade garbage is because most people don't want to see the crap so they turn off /trade. This pisses the trade junkies off so they use /all so people are FORCED to see their crap or else utrn all chat off all together in which case the spammers also win. It's no differetn then EMail spammers who spoof addresses and circumvent anti-spam software by mixing up letters etc in their emails.

It's the WILL to do it, not the actual act, that people should be banned for. The people who put a random WTS in the /all aren't the problem, it's the fools above who cant stand people not being forced into watching their advertisements who are the problem.